Two things to clarify before we begin:
Dumb shows make me sad. Because they are what are teaching current teens about who and what to be when they grow up. When I was in high school (not so long ago I’ll grant you), we had choices like Seinfeld, Friends and Frasier. Shows that, while at times might have you rolling your eyes, definitely had an I.Q. Television talked to us, not necessarily teaching us about life, but reaching us on our level. Sure, Frasier and Niles Crane were wealthy, but they were older, accomplished professionals, something that we could all aspire to down the road. We watched and suffered along as Joey Tribbiani struggled in his career. His “success” on daytime TV was a lesson that perseverance pays off. Or something like that.
Today? The lessons taught on some “current” shows (including some that are older and/or off the air already) are about growing up rich, marrying rich, mooching rich or just plain being rich. And the shows are so laced with sex, immorality and, yes, dumbness, that I just don’t understand the attraction. So fine, they’re not meant for me, and I don’t waste my time. What amazes me, however, are some of the people who do. Otherwise smart people (and not in the sense that they choose good TV, but rather in the sense that they went to good schools, love to read, are down to earth, are practical, and enjoyed shows like Medical Investigation) are drawn to these things like crawling infants to a plug. Why?
So, being upfront about how little of the following shows I’ve actually watched, while declaring that you don’t need to have seen much to pass judgment, let’s consider the offerings:
Gilmore Girls: Lauren Graham is beautiful. That’s about all I retained from the few times I walked across my living room as GG was on. Two whiny women complaining to one another, fighting, hugging, engaged, broken-up, something about France, rich grandparents, a missing father. Some make the argument that this is “smart TV” or that the cultural references are vast. But it’s really a pleasure-less guilt, a soap for all the mother-daughter tandems who decided that the best quality time they could spend with one another was in front of their television. At least they had an excuse. Solo watchers? Tsk, tsk, tsk.
The O.C.: I’ve been reading nonstop these past two years about Josh Schwartz and the savant talent that he brings to his two current shows. I love Chuck, so this is no comment on Schwartz himself, but I wouldn’t want him bringing anything from his old show to his new ones (well, maybe to Gossip Girl. I couldn’t care less about it anyway. See below.) Once again, my living room kept few secrets. The O.C. had a bad boy, an innocent girl next door who turns into a drugged out whore, a sweet nerd (with some kind of toy pony?) who gets the girl … and someone living on a boat. I don’t know. Something about this smacked of 90210 (the original abomination, not the updated one), Melrose Place and … I’m not sure what, but something even more vapid. I do know that Melinda Clarke got some Entourage mileage out of her star turn here, but she was just as unpleasant with Vinnie and the boys as I hear she was on The O.C. No thanks.
Privileged: This show I’ve actually watched an entire episode of. It was on our to-try list this year. Sure: a journalist looking to succeed goes to work as a tutor for two rich and bratty teens. Reasonable. Except when it’s clearly a vehicle for showing what a great life you could be leading too if only you lived here. Plus something about one twin being serious and wanting to go to a prestigious college, and the other not caring, causing the former to be scared of revealing her true feelings. Because your sister would banish you for those kind of thoughts, right? Oh, and they’re 16 and attending parties on yachts. I’ve been told that this show has changed, but, unfortunately, I’ve scheduled elective surgery for whatever hour Privileged is on. For the entire season. Nothing wrong with me, just figured it was a better use of my time.
Gossip Girl: This one is just simply beyond me. Also on the to-try list last year, hit the delete button after ten minutes and never looked back. And thankfully, my wife moved on with me (and, uh, for all the other shows too. Yeah.) But I keep hearing about it, and reading about it. I just don’t understand! The show is low-rated. The show’s on a minor network. The show has no substance to it. And, the show is just plain pointless. Somebody thought this was a good idea? It’s the worst book to television adaptation since Sex and the City! So why not make a spin-off, right? The nice thing would have been if Josh Schwartz and team had captured even a little authenticity in their depiction of private school life in this country. Too bad they only nailed Switzerland.
So why, oh why do these shows draw an audience? Why do otherwise intelligent people get sucked in by the sheer inanity? Subliminal messages? High-pitched frequencies? Conspiracy-sized dares? I don’t have an answer, I’m just throwing out some ideas. What gets me the most is that these shows persist because, as small an audience as they draw, they’re the “A List” viewers, the alpha (mostly)-females. This highly desirable demographic counts as some multiple of one regular viewer, giving these shows longer lives and more hype. It’s a little crowd with a loud voice.
To all you “A Listers”, I guess you don’t get me and I don’t get you. Then, let’s make a deal: Put your (consumer) weight behind some other (stupid) shows and I’ll leave you in peace to watch your guilty pleasures. Because shows like My Name is Earl, Worst Week and Rules of Engagement could use some of your kind of support!
And, if it’s not too much trouble, maybe Greek, too?
Having never seen any of the others, I can’t say whether I agree or disagree, but I totally disagree about Gilmore Girls. It was fun to watch, but it had substance. It was about a woman who got pregnant at 16 and then had to work her butt off to provide for herself and her daughter. The daughter was no slouch either, learning from her mother that hard work pays off with good grades. Based on your criteria of what counts as good (using the work ethics displayed on Frasier and Friends), Gilmore Girls would count as good. It showed that hard work pays off.
Gilmore Girls doesn’t belong on that list.
Thanks for insulting me. I learned in first grade that “Tsk tsk tsk” is something you never ever say.
Come on, “Gossip Girl” is this decade’s equivalent to the trashy primetime soaps of the 80s. It’s “Dynasty” for the new millennium with younger players. There’s nothing wrong with a little mindless, escapist entertainment once in a while. I watch a variety of shows from “Lost” to “Battlestar Galactica” to “24” but I enjoy “Gossip Girl” too. The only thing that really bugs me about the show, and that surprisingly no one else seems to have ever picked up on, is that these kids are all underage and they all drink like fish. They go into bars and restaurants and get served, never being asked for ID. WTF?!?!
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I totally agree, nothing wrong with a little mindless, escapist entertainment once in a while. That’s how I would describe most TV. I just wouldn’t qualify the above shows as entertainment. That should be okay; television’s supposed to be subjective.
The drinking? 100% accurate. Dress right and walk into the right bars and clubs, and no one cards you. Drinking age is 21 or wealthy.
The fact Gilmore Girls is on the list clearly proves you are out of touch with reality.
The later seasons became a useless soap, however the first three seasons were smart TV.
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Why am I out of touch with reality? We disagree; so what?
I will point out, however, that the seasons I was exposed to were the final few. So in reality, you agree with me…
I admit I was a Gilmore Girls skeptic and my initial view of the show was similar to yours. But then I sat down and watched an entire episode and my opinion completely changed. It is a really smart show with complex relationships. Watching clips or catching glimpses of the show only annoyed be because, like you said, the women seemed too whiny and they talked too fast, but that’s just the surface. It does not belong on this list. Honestly, the same can be said about the rest of the shows on your list. They all have layers that aren’t even touched on in the previews or if you just stop on them for a moment. Except maybe Gossip Girl. That’s just good scandalous fun! Why isn’t the new 90210 on your list? I haven’t found any layers in that one yet. Or One Tree Hill? Better choices by far!
Same here. At first glance, GG seems shallow. But that must’ve been a very short glance since once Luke or Dean show up on screen… and when you keep watching soon enough you’ll get more into Rory and Lorelai and find out that there are so many layers…
Guess that makes me a chump watching it alone and everything from start to finish…
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Honestly, there are probably a lot of shows that I missed here. But to be fair, I only included shows that I’ve been exposed to, as in not just via previews or stories in magazines or here on CliqueClack. I mean EXPOSED, like I never sat down for a full episode but saw many hours of each nonetheless. Except for Gossip Girl. My problem there is, I was so insulted by the little I’ve seen, that I couldn’t not include it. Plus, it’s the one premise whose authenticity I can speak to.
I too agree that this list is insane. The O.C was brilliant during it’s first and last seasons, one of the few intelligent teen shows out there, along with Veronica Mars. If you actually took some time to watch these shows you’d know that your statement about them just being about “growing up rich, marrying rich, mooching rich or just plain being rich” was incorrect. If anything, The O.C showed how much life sucked being rich. Marrisa didn’t just drink, she had a drinking problem. Ryan didn’t just punch people for the hell of it, but was a product of his previous environment. Summer goes on to fight for environmental rights. Along with Gilmore Girls they are more about the importance of family then anything else. Gossip Girl, too, might be filled with sex and drugs, but I don’t think it glamorizes it.
The argument that we should be inspired by Joey making it as an actor, but completely ignore what teen characters accomplish on television shows doesn’t make sense to me. You admit that you haven’t seen very much of these show, so why spend so much time spreading a false impression of them. It’s like me watching last weeks episode of The Office and deciding the whole shows about sleeping around while your engaged.
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I can respect the argument that these shows were/are enjoyable, but to say that seasons of the O.C. were brilliant?
My point about Joey on Friends was that his was a relatable situation, not an inspirational one.
And, while I was never a viewer of these shows, I have seen many hours of each one. I definitely have from where to comment, and the impression that I’m spreading is my own. Therefore, how can it be false?
And re The O.C.: Marissa drank because her father was a criminal and her mother was sleeping around with teenagers, and didn’t care about her. Ryan didn’t grow up rich, so you can’t blame his problems on money. As to the show being about family? Sorry, but whose family might that be beyond the Cohens?
I’m right with Chuck on Gossip Girl. It entertains me amd that’s enough. There is nothing wrong with reading a trashy novel or watching some fluff TV.
Gossip Girl actually does have a lot of substance, but it takes a few episodes to really notice how much is going on underneath.
Yep, just want to add my voice to those offended by the inclusion of Gilmore Girls on your list. It wasn’t a must see for me or anything, but I would watch it if it happened to be on.
Is it being discounted simply because it’s a show about women for women? Sure, those shows are usually insulting crap, but GG stood apart in that it put a positive spin on those relationships. Backstabbing may have happened (did it? I can’t remember offhand), but it wasn’t a prevalent theme.
I don’t get these lists. Is the point to just insult people who don’t like what you do?
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I’m not sure that I insulted anyone here. Maybe their taste in shows, but I seem to recall referring to the viewers as “A List viewers”, “alpha (mostly)-females”, and a “highly desirable demographic”. Is that bad?
Aryeh, the problem is the way you comment on people’s viewing habits. It’s condescending, that’s all. In your opinion I’m intelligent but still watch a dumb show. While that is your opinion and I guess I can’t change it, and certainly I can’t tell you that you are wrong per se, I still am pissed that you feel the need to tell me I’m watching garbage even though I should “know better” or something like that.
You are entitled to your opinion, but I hope you understand that it’s insulting. That “tsk tsk tsk” comment I made in first grade led to me being sent out of the classroom and write up the multiplication table from 1 to 10 (which I managed in about two and a half minutes since I didn’t do it line by line but rather wrote 10 times 1 to 10, 100 “*”, 100 “=” 10 times each number and then the 100 results, which made it a bittersweet memory for me being so smart) but to this day I remember that “tsk tsk tsk” is derogatory and demeaning and that you just don’t use that. Anywhere.
So maybe you could get off your high horse and try to schmooze yourself into the hearts of your target audience first instead of basically telling them they are acting dumb while being intelligent.
And Gilmore Girls isn’t trash. It simply doesn’t belong in this list. The rest you can have, I agree wholeheartedly because the other shows you listed are ALL shallow. But GG isn’t, because the actors are too good, the writing is too good and the show overall feels complete. If you didn’t get that watching then sorry but there must be something wrong with you.
See – sucks to be talked to like that.
“tsk tsk tsk” is not even close to being as demeaning/degrading as your comment posted on “How I Met Your Mother. “Let’s kill…..” I don’t even want to fully repeat your comment -it’s so vial. “tsk tsk tsk” hasn’t gotten mouths washed out with soap. But apparently instead of cheating – I mean writing your multiplication facts; you should have been getting your mouth washed out with high powered soap!
I guess different people have different notions about what is insulting and what is offensive.
You don’t use “tsk, tsk, tsk” anywhere? It’s a derogatory term? Where the hell are you from Sebastian – Candy Land? If you think that’s a derogatory term then you have lived a sheltered existence. It takes a lot more than “tsk, tsk, tsk” to insult anyone older than five. Get over yourself. If you don’t think the show is dumb, fine. I suggest you find some thicker skin and toughen up.
This is a truly obnoxious article/post. I believe I’ll be avoiding posts by this writer in the future.
The absurdity of the conundrum that one would impose controversy over a television show would be not very intellect by matter, but very imbecilic to the same thought of arguing of which any television show would best for higher intellects. Though the controversy of a peculiar book, equation, string theory, etc… would show that one would be best fit for a to move into a(n) argument were one would be best suited.
This article is disgraceful. It would be like me writing an article labelling BSG, West Wing, Veronica Mars, Firefly, Dexter ect ect as awful and dumb shows before I actually started watching them.
You can’t fairly comment on any show you haven’t watched a full episode, infact I would go as far as saying you can’t truly judge a show even on a single episode as sometimes they can have a bad episode or are important aspects require you to have a background in the show (Look at Arrested Development, anyone who caught a show in the middle of the run might find some funny aspects but would miss a significant number of the jokes)